Over the ensuing years I trained with many top people like Bill Wallace and Joe Lewis. I had instruction in grappling, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, ground fighting, and as I said earlier, boxing. Before long other like minded people had joined, they became disillusioned with the way grading standards had dropped, and the money orientated instructors that were about.

After the knockdown stuff, some of the guys at the club were still competing in ordinary traditional competitions - we went to the Belgium Open and won that, we were the first British team to go to Russia and compete in the Russian Open, we won that. I knew it was the our training system that was getting us the results - cross training wasn't heard of those days and perhaps even more unheard of was a traditional Shotokan Club stepping outside of a set curriculum to look at and train in jiu jitsu, grappling and boxing."

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